"First of all, there is nothing that is unhackable."
Thus begins the interview with John McAfee, who, having started McAfee Associates back in 1987 on his way to being worth close to $100 million, is still many years and many bizarre actions later a well-respected security voice.
McAfee wrote an Op-Ed piece for Business Insider in which he claims to be able to hack the now infamous iPhone.
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Is this something our government can't do on its own?
"No. And why can't the FBI do this on their own?" he said. "I believe they simply do not have the talent."
"They don't have the personnel. And how could they? We're talking people with purple mohawks, face tattoos. They smoke weed all day long! Things that could keep them from working with the government."
But McAfee, who insists that he supports Tim Cook and Apple's stance on the case, says he can help both sides: Get the FBI the information it wants, while letting Apple off the hook.
"I have friends," he says. "They can tell you what the operating system is doing, in short order."
Does he expect to be called by the FBI?
"No, probably not, but they're the FBI. They know how to reach me."
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