McQueary: Not 100 Percent Sure It Was Intercourse

Mike McQueary testifies that he never used the terms "sodomy" or "anal intercourse" when he told Joe Paterno what he saw

Mike McQueary dropped some shocking statements as he testified in a preliminary hearing for the two Penn State officials accused of lying to a grand jury.

The Penn State assistant football coach testified Friday morning that he believes he saw Jerry Sandusky sexually molesting a 10-year-old boy in the football showers - but he can’t be 100 percent sure it was intercourse. But in his grand jury testimony in 2010, McQueary said that Sandusky was anally raping the boy.

According to NBC Philadelphia reporter Lu Ann Cahn who is in the preliminary hearing, McQueary testified that he saw Sandusky and the boy in the shower “having some kind of intercourse.”

Very similar to his grand jury testimony last year, McQueary said that he heard "slapping noises" in the locker room and he then saw the young boy in the showers with his hands against the wall and Sandusky behind the boy, skin-on-skin. He said that Sandusky's arms were wrapped around the boy's waist.

McQueary also testified that “out of respect” he never used the words “sodomy” or “anal intercourse” when he sat down at Joe Paterno’s kitchen table to tell him what he saw Sandusky doing to a young boy.

McQueary is testifying at Friday’s preliminary hearing for Tim Curley and Gary Shultz because McQueary told the grand jury last year that he told the two Penn State administrators that he saw Sandusky sodomize the boy, and they never notified higher authorities.

In Friday's hearing McQueary said that he thought he was talking to police when he told Shultz. Shultz was in charge of the campus police at the time.

McQueary also testified that four days after Curley was told, he called McQueary and said that he alerted Second Mile - the charity for kids that Sandusky founded. This was in 2002. Sandusky didn't resign from Second Mile until 2008.

Curley and Schultz are charged with lying to a grand jury and failing to properly report what McQueary allegedly told them. Their lawyers say the men are innocent and contest McQueary's statement.

Sandusky has been charged with more than 50 counts of child sex abuse. Charges stem from what authorities say were sexual assaults over 15 years on 10 boys in his home, on Penn State property and elsewhere.

The scandal has provoked strong criticism that Penn State officials didn't do enough to stop Sandusky, and prompted the firing of Hall of Fame football coach Joe Paterno and the school's longtime president, Graham Spanier.

Curley, 57, Penn State's athletic director, was placed on leave by the university after his arrest. Schultz, 62, returned to retirement after spending about four decades at the school, most recently as senior vice president for business and finance, and treasurer.

Curley and Schultz testified to the grand jury that McQueary never relayed the seriousness of what he saw and that they told Spanier what they knew before telling Sandusky not to bring children on to campus.


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